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14 May 2011 @ 09:57 pm
Forward facing in a Moby?  
Is it okay to carry a baby forward-facing in a stretchy wrap like a Moby? I can't find anything on their website, but maybe I'm not looking hard enough. My son will be 4 months next week, is probably around 15 lbs and has excellent neck control.


Theo in the wrap, giving my husband the stink-eye
once upon a time, the story begins..mellybrelly on May 15th, 2011 01:59 am (UTC)
according to a coworker who is a babywearing expert, she says forward facing is never great because the baby can become over stimulated and doesn't have the momma or daddy to lean into. It's also not good for their hips.
*yolen*: Toony Meyolen on May 15th, 2011 02:10 am (UTC)
This is what I was going to say. I *think* I remember reading that up until about at least 6 months facing mom or dad even in a stroller is optimal.

I wore my son in a Sleepy Wrap (which is pretty similar to a Moby) facing me until he was 17 months old. It was never a problem, he got to see all he wanted to see when we were out and about. And it was also perfect for when he'd fall asleep on me, even into his toddlerhood <3.
anne_t_socialanne_t_social on May 15th, 2011 02:53 am (UTC)
I have a friend who wears her son forward-facing in the same type of wrap as I have, and I was wondering what she does when he falls asleep, to be honest. Same with people who wear babies forward in the Bjorn - do they just let their heads dangle?
Daniellemokey4 on May 15th, 2011 03:53 am (UTC)
i think they are less likely to fall asleep that way, but i have seen them just dangling there.
*yolen*: La Bohemeyolen on May 15th, 2011 05:25 am (UTC)
That sounds a little sad :(.
Tragically Unhipathinker on May 15th, 2011 01:45 pm (UTC)
Absolutely devastating...
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Infants sleep in crazy positions all the time. If anything I have pictures that look a million times worse of how he slept in back carries when he wouldn't tolerate the sleeping hood.
*yolen*yolen on May 15th, 2011 04:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Absolutely devastating...
OMG, that's so cute! I have to admit, I was picture a lot more floppy and dangling than that. My son might have done that as an infant, but IDK about when he was a toddler, it's a little hard to imagine him being comfortable at that point.
*yolen*yolen on May 15th, 2011 05:24 am (UTC)
Yeah, I really don't know! I mean, if the kid starts to fall asleep, is that time you want to try and move them around to face your chest so they could rest there? I don't get it.

Also, I have to say I really enjoyed being face to face at such a close level with my son. I had lots of conversations with him, and I think the interaction he had with me all those months on that level was very beneficial to his development.
Tragically Unhipathinker on May 15th, 2011 01:49 pm (UTC)
You wouldn't happen to have a link to any research about forward facing would you? I've honestly been looking and haven't found a single study.
Kristie1frabjousmama on May 15th, 2011 02:06 pm (UTC)
For the hip aspect, someone told me once that most of the research is in German and hasn't been translated. There's one study floating around out there from the 90s, I think (?), but people like to argue about that one.

I don't FFO my kids personally, but I go by the "everything in moderation" motto. ;-)
Tragically Unhipathinker on May 15th, 2011 02:26 pm (UTC)
I've read the one article and it is far from a study. I know it is not optimal, but I also do not believe it is as horrifying as people make it out to be. Saying kids are better off in a stroller is downright laughable without anything to back it up, especially to someone who was forced to do the research and speak to medical professionals about that very issue.
*yolen*: Kali/Madonnayolen on May 15th, 2011 04:54 pm (UTC)
If you are referring to my comment from earlier in the post, you misunderstood me. I did NOT say it was preferable to have a child in a stroller to forward facing babywearing. I said that I had read that a having a baby up to about 6 months in age face it's parents (or caretakers) was important enough that it also counted for strollers, in other words that strollers that face the adults are better than your usual kind of forward facing adults. For the reason stated by the first commenter in this post, to prevent baby from becoming overstimulated. It wasn't any research article that I read, just stuff I came across when I researching what stroller to buy when my son was 7 months old. Sounded reasonable to me, but I suppose it could be bs, it would be nice to see research into this.
*yolen*: Escheryolen on May 15th, 2011 04:46 pm (UTC)
I don't remember coming across any studies per se, but the corroboration in the information I did come across when I was pregnant and in the early days of my babywearing was that forward facing wasn't the hottest for the littler ones. For me, having him face me just worked out fine and I never felt the need to move him anywhere else.
NOLA MOMMAsxdx on May 15th, 2011 02:39 am (UTC)
I agree.
anne_t_socialanne_t_social on May 15th, 2011 02:50 am (UTC)
Good to know! That all totally makes sense. Thanks!
mothermeletemothermelete on May 15th, 2011 02:47 am (UTC)
I wouldn't do forward facing, but maybe a hip hold would work well? Forward facing can be very bad for their back and hips.
anne_t_socialanne_t_social on May 15th, 2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Good idea! I'll give it a try. It might give my shoulders/upper back a bit of a break, too.
Kiss kiss bang bang: Baby // Peek-a-boo!nahemaraxe on May 15th, 2011 04:57 am (UTC)
Agreed with others, I wouldn't let my son face-forward - all the above aside, it'd be annoying as hell the constant wrap/unwrap to nurse him.
anne_t_socialanne_t_social on May 15th, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
I still haven't figured out nursing in the wrap - do you know of any good videos showing how?
Kiss kiss bang bang: Baby // Peek-a-boo!nahemaraxe on May 16th, 2011 11:04 am (UTC)
Look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0OTfofwZzk&feature=related

My son is obv much smaller, but I use the same tie and I pull out and push up my boob the same way. *points below* I was nursing in this pic (please ignore my tired face. Long walk in the park was long).

Kristie1frabjousmama on May 15th, 2011 02:08 pm (UTC)
I think they took it and a couple other holds off their website (they used to have back carries on there) because they no longer recommend them. One more reason that I LOVE Moby--they're willing to adjust their ways of thinking as they gather new info!
anne_t_socialanne_t_social on May 15th, 2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
Ah, okay, that makes sense. I could have sworn that I'd seen forward-facing carries on there before, good to know that I'm not delusional.
Office of Unmitigated Superiorityochenpryatna on May 15th, 2011 03:06 pm (UTC)
I wore one of my daughters forward-facing in the Moby a few times. Only for short periods of time, and mostly because she was absolutely thrilled about it at the time. The danger of forward-facing, as I understand it, is that some carriers only support the baby through the crotch, and the legs just hanging down. With the Moby, I was able to adjust the fabric so her legs were supported from crotch to knee, not dangling at all. There's obviously a lot of potential for people to do it unsafely, but my daughter was definitely comfortable, and she was small enough at the time that I was comfortable too.
Rachelwenchpower on May 16th, 2011 01:28 am (UTC)
Devil's advocate--I can ONLY wear my son forward facing in the Moby because he's so curious. If I wear him tummy-to-tummy, he keeps pulling his arms out so that he can swivel around and see what's going on and I have to hold him in place with one arm so he won't fall out. If he gets tired, I can switch him around tummy-to-tummy so he can sleep, but otherwise forward facing is the only way I can safely wear him. Now, I've never gotten the hang of the sling hold--I can't get it tight enough now matter how hard I try--so that would probably be fine, but for standard wrap holds, forward facing is all I can do and it works fine for us.
Rachelwenchpower on May 16th, 2011 02:33 pm (UTC)
I should add, though, that DS is eight months old, so overstimulation is less of an issue than it would be for a four-month-old. I used the hug hold until he was seven months.
Sarah Bellroy on May 17th, 2011 01:50 pm (UTC)